tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488429092050652268.post7875389905373305966..comments2023-03-23T09:11:56.899-05:00Comments on Digital Printing and The Pirates that Sell it!: Inkjet; the next generation of digital?Pirate Mikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04649677867102200501noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488429092050652268.post-64894274176642150282010-03-28T10:11:49.898-05:002010-03-28T10:11:49.898-05:00re: In the end Roger was quoted as saying, "...re: In the end Roger was quoted as saying, "In the future, we will not be measured by the quality of the output; we will be measured by the quality of the outcome." <br /><br />Gimble is a smart guy but no one ever thought print quality was more important than the outcome of a campaign. Advertising has had awards for "quality" ads forever but NOBODY ever thought those awards were more important than the results of the ad campaign. <br /><br /> . . . and if you understand why blouveldt isn't working at Xerox why don't you tell us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488429092050652268.post-16628034639633539172010-03-27T22:43:55.484-05:002010-03-27T22:43:55.484-05:00Are you and "Valerie" and "Roger&qu...Are you and "Valerie" and "Roger" friends?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488429092050652268.post-81207238675796255462010-03-27T22:38:53.560-05:002010-03-27T22:38:53.560-05:00Edgeline has been a complete FAILURE for HP. AFTE...Edgeline has been a complete FAILURE for HP. AFTER YEARS OF HYPE MEMJET HAS YET TO sell a single product OR license its technology in to an available product. (Maybe soon though after YEARS of hype) Your views on ij are very "optimistic" at best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488429092050652268.post-38700700699570706922010-03-27T22:32:20.982-05:002010-03-27T22:32:20.982-05:00the costs are WAAAY too high still . . . FIXED cos...the costs are WAAAY too high still . . . FIXED costs of over 80K month for over 60 months. Profit models require in the range of 40 million prints/month. Todays printers don't know where they are getting their volume next month . . . let along for the next sixty. You guys are buying the hype of A Tribute who is on HPs payroll. Sure IJ will be a player but it will be a while longer yet. If it becomes a BIG player watch the print industry consolidate down to a handful of printers. Death of the copier??? No, your models indicate the death of the print industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488429092050652268.post-37063651941913107172010-03-26T19:50:50.778-05:002010-03-26T19:50:50.778-05:00For several years there has been talk of inkjet ri...For several years there has been talk of inkjet rising to take on the toner market. From Scitex back in the early 90's, to the MemJet and the HP EdgeLine. Much like the copier market the ink jet market has long struggled to improve. The toner based engine has become the standard in the market, but did that branch of the printing tree prosper because of the fact that it was ready at the time Apple was opening the window to desktop publishing and ink jet was not technologically ready to compete. All the excitment and money went into toner based systems, while ink jets were the poor step sister for home use. <br /><br />Then you have to factor in the fact that toner product devices migrated to a "supplies included" contract which fixed the cost per page at a level that ink jet systems could never match because they had as an industry fixed on the "razor blade" pricing model. <br /><br />Can ink jet overcome? Well it has its advantages. <br /><br />When you talk to photographers and designers about what they use for press proofs, they may have a toner device for non-critical proofs, but if they are running a final proof for customer approval before going to press, if its not coming from the press itself they are overwhelmingly using ink jet over toner. Want to match press ink quality and its response to the substrate? Which will be more accurate matching ink to ink or toner to ink? <br /><br />When you have a customer looking to do high quality wide format are they looking at ink jet or toner??<br /><br />So there is no denying that ink jet can and does beat toner for the quality check box. The problem is that ink jet "at speed" has never been at the quality and reliability of the laser systems. Does this mean that ink jet systems cannot perform at speed for a production device that replaces a press? Of course not. In fact now that print heads are no longer limited to a half inch swath swiping back and forth across the sheet but span the whole page width and sit stationary as the paper whisks past at ever increasing speeds (and dare I say web fed ink jet presses) accurately placing ink drops at far finer resolutions than toner because the resolution is not limited by the size of your toner particle, and without regard to the substrate. You want to print on cardboard box stock, 16 point kromekote, newsprint? Fine, just adjust the print head the correct distance for the stock and fire up the presses. You want a 6 color ink jet press? No problem I'll drop on two more print heads using a premixed Pantone 185 and a reflex blue (or whatever colors you want). My press gets 4 " longer, oh the pain! Two sided printing? Add another couple of feet to fit in a second set of print heads and off we go.<br /><br />How long before we see a 22" 6 color ink jet web presses replacing a Heidelberg? The only reason that I can think of that ink jet will not eventually overtake the laser in production print environments is that the R&D drops off and the technology does not get developed.cahtmyle@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12551649510335864191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488429092050652268.post-64460272275597641842010-03-26T11:37:34.633-05:002010-03-26T11:37:34.633-05:00Blauvelt hasn't worked for Xerox in over 15 mo...Blauvelt hasn't worked for Xerox in over 15 months. You quote gimble from 2006. Jeez, if you cant be current what are you doing????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com